Guys who are bound and determined to prove that a 17 hmr will kill a coyote are sortof similar to guys that are dead set on proving you can catch a 13 pound bass on 4 pound test in heavy cover, lol. I dont care how good of a shot you are, if you shoot at enough coyotes, you will have plenty of retrievable dogs get away from ya when you could have put them in the truck by using enough gun. This fact is even more amplified for a night hunter. There is absolutely no acceptable excuse for being undergunned and accepting that you will not be able to retrieve half of what you shoot. Guys who hunt "alot" will say the same exact thing. If there is anyone on this site than can post any good sound reasoning for it being ok to just accept that you wont find at least 90 to 95 % of what you shoot then I would like to hear it. I have had several cases were we had a shooter that used this same mentality, and after the 4th or 5th dog that got away from us, we have banned anything less that a 223 in our truck. Predator hunting is not a test to see how little of a gun you can get away with. In my opinion, guys who take this approach to predator hunting and dont really care that they simply wound half of the coyotes they shoot, arent in it for the rite reason to begin with. Chris Robinson said this, lol. Just stating the facts not wanting to argue!!