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#1 Beef

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:21 AM

I'm looking for a new varmint gun. Want to upgrade from my 30-30 lever. What do you guys suggest? .223 or 22-250?


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:24 AM

Both ! lol I have 3 rifles chambered in .223. Used to have a 22-250. May get another. You can't go wrong with either round IMO.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:59 AM

If you don't reload a 223 is quite a bit cheaper to shoot. A 22-250 on the other hand is a more powerful cartridge and will give you a flatter trajectory to a greater distance. 300yds is the maximum practical range for a 223 on coyotes, (which is as far or farther than most people can shoot consistantly) A 22-250 will reliably drop coyotes to 400+...if you can hit them.
Either of these choices will be a huge improvement over your 30-30. If you want a dual purpose gun (deer and yotes)look at a 243Win.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:51 AM

Exactly what YD said.....+1 to the .243, too... :teeth:
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:00 AM

Thanks Scotty,

If you are looking for a low recoil cartridge don't overlook the .204 Ruger either It will shoot like a laser to 300yds and has the energy to dispatch a coyote cleanly at that distance as well. And if I was going to shoot fox and chucks as well as coyotes (but nothing bigger than yotes) I'd definitly go 204. I'd definitly like to give a few chucks heck with mine.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:56 AM

Beef, if I have any firearm questions Don is the first guy I ask. He's the most knowledgeable and nicest guy you'll find on any forum. Listen to what he says to get you where you need to be.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

Thanks Tom....I just make it all up as I go along though... One of these days I'll sit down and make a pro's and con's list on all the cartridges I feel are apt to be used for Coyotes and varmints. Something tells me that there would not be any conclusive winners in the overall category..

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:58 PM

Might want to consider whether you want to save the pelts. I suggest .223 or .204, I have both and would have a hard time choosing between them.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

Beef, if I have any firearm questions Don is the first guy I ask. He's the most knowledgeable and nicest guy you'll find on any forum. Listen to what he says to get you where you need to be.

I second that! Youngdon also knows ammo and reloading better than anyone I know.

I am absolutely blown away at the accuracy from my 22-250. I love everything about the caliber, except with the varmint rounds I'm using, I'm really doing a number on the pelts. Don recommended using a soft point to help, and if I ever get into reloading I'm sure there will be even more options.
I definitely wouldn't mind owning any of the other 3 calibers mentioned (.204, .223, and .243).

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 05:09 PM

Don't hesitate...Buy all three now !

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:07 PM

It will happen in due time. :biggrin:

You've got me thinking hard about the .204 though...

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:14 PM

You wont be sorry if you buy a .204, most of the time no exit wound !

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:19 PM

I love my .204... Now my .223 & .243 sit in the safe -- all jealous & stuff... :teeth:
But here's something I found out when trying out some new loads for the .223 this past weekend...I'm really getting some good results w/ the Hornady .22 cal. 35gr. NTX bullet & the velocity does rival the current load of my .204 (40gr VMax)
Haven't shot any thru the AR yet, but the NTX really shrunk the group size w/ my TC Contender pistol.... :teeth:
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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:28 PM

I shoot both a 22-250 and a .223 and I like them both. Yes the 250 is prob the better choice for long range but it you know what you are doing the .223 can still be a good long range coyote round. For coyote I have found fur friendly loads for both rounds so thats no big difference for me. the .223 does cost less to shoot but really I think they are close enough that its up to you. If you dont do hardly anything past 300yards then I dont really see much need for the 22-250.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 11:05 PM

So I read a good comparison of the .204 and 22-250. I will see if I can dig up the website and post a link. The basic point was that the .204 is just as effective at a long range and the 22-250. I Think it was due to speed loss at extended ranges with the .204 was less than the 22-250 giving you about the same punch. The bonus for the .204 is that is does less pet damage. Okay off to find that site. I will post a link as soon as I can find it.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

as you see this is mostly personal opinions...lol like yd said if you set down and made a list of pros and cons not a single one would be a clear winner. they all have their goods and bads. for me is the 22-250. plain and simple, i love that round. very virisital to load for, and where i hunt shots can be from point blank to 400+ yards. here in nebraska its legal for deer too along with the .223. as with any caliber, its well placed shots more than the round that makes us love what we love!!!!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 05:33 AM

Yall are gonna make Don's head swell so much he is liable to have an aneurysm. :biggrin:
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

Oneshot,

It's amazing the trajectory for the 22-250. My main long range rifle aside from this caliber is my .308. My .308 is zeroed at 100 yards, and when at the range hitting steel targets at 300 yards, my scope adjustment is 20 clicks!!! After getting the 22-250 and doing my zero at 200 yards, it was such a pleasant surprise to shoot 100, 200, and 300 yard targets with no scope adjustment at all. Out of the 7 calibers I own, this is by far my favorite!

The .204 sounds like a good caliber to add though. When hunting, most all my shots are taken at under 200 yards.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:35 AM

I can not find that comparison. Someone has or had a webpage that had a nice layout of how the .204 and 22-250 are pretty comparable with less fur damage in the .204 at closer ranges. They actual data to back their claim. I own a 22-250 and a .243 for varmint and yote hunting. I like the .243 better for coyote. As oneshotcowboy said it is mostly personal preference.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:40 PM

not saying that the .223 is the best choice for long range shooting and coyote hunting but I think to many people under rate its long range ability. If you know what you are doing with the .223 it can be just as effective at long range as a 22-250. Sos gave a good example of this with the 308. Yes it may not be the best long range option but it was used as a long range calibre for a very long time. I think to many people wory to much about haveing a flat shooting rifle ( which does help to a point) and not enough about the skill of there shooting.




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