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[indianadog hunter]

When we were out west it didnt seem to be any problem callin dogs, but since I came back to Indiana I dont seem to be able to get any response. Any one got some help?

[ebbs]

When we were out west it didnt seem to be any problem callin dogs, but since I came back to Indiana I dont seem to be able to get any response. Any one got some help?

I couple bullet point ideas come to mind in regards to the difference of east and west:

• The wide open space is more like closed off sections. So get closer to where you think the dogs are.
• Because you have to get closer, you'll need to pay more attention to the wind, and how you move in. Stay low, push your truck door shut rather than swinging it shut. Basically pretend like you're black ops trying to go 100% undetected.
• Remember that eastern dogs have more to eat. They've got more terrain to sneak in and the small game is abundant. Western dogs are hungry. You may have to pique an eastern's curiosity with calls moreso than their stomach if the weather is cooperating and there's no snow on the ground. I saw yesterday one of our members mentioned he couldn't get them in with distress but one strolled in to a Ki-Yi.
• Mix it up. Use different calls. If cottontail distress isn't working or they're wise to it, try a pileated woodpecker, a mouse squeak, housecat distress, chicken distress anything to mix it up and not necessarily in that order.
• Because of the change in terrain, where dogs could be closer to start with, remember to start your calling quiet then work up with the volume. If you start off too loud you'll either tip them off, destroy any curiosity they may have, or be too loud to be believable.
• BE PERSISTENT. A lot of their response depends on their mood and the weather. What doesn't work one day could work immediately the next. So don't give up be patient AND creative.

[HowlinRed]

I feel your pain. I see yote sign of all types, old and new and hear them as well. I think we must find a different way to hunt them then our PT brothers left of the Mississippi.

For me, I think its gonna be a lot of trial and error. The topography that these yotes live in here is just so wooded and hilly that he is hard to see. He is here though and its just gonna be a real challenge to kill him.

Sorry I'm not much help but good luck and keep after'em.

[mesa sky photography]

ahhh...the age old question of east and west predators callin;)
From my experience, if you are seeing sign and hearing 'em, your callin them in. Your jus not seeing them.
When I call and photograph out west, I can see em bouncing in from 500 yards away. When callin here in the east,
I can only see at 100 yards at best.The best advice that I give to people is, scent control and to pay attention to wind direction!. Because 9 times out of 10, you wont see em till they get close.
Oh and one more thing....DONT GIVE UP!

[DanielB]

I know one really challenging thing about hunting in the east is the diversity of food like ebbs said so alot of times coyote vocalizations can work out better rhan distress. If you can pick up a copy of predator nation magazine they just did a whole article on this subject, alot of good info there

[PaDogKiller]

I have noticed here in Pa. on certain nights if the Barometer is just right every set produces! On some nights no eyes show, you might as well stay on the couch.

[youngdon]

I have noticed here in Pa. on certain nights if the Barometer is just right every set produces! On some nights no eyes show, you might as well stay on the couch.

I'd be making notes on that PA.

[On a call]

Ah yes....here I go.

I base it on the IQ, western yotes are retarded and eastern yotes are well...educated.

[On a call]

what I trying to say is.....too many chasing them.

[indianadog hunter]

thanks for all the advice and mostly the encouragement! I was really getting bummed, but like Mesa Sky said maybe its not my calling just my eye sight. oh well deer season about over and I will most likely be laid off soon so it will be GAME ON. Just me a friend and western rivers vs SONG DOG. LETS GET IT ON !

[unplugged_55]

Good luck to you in Indiana. I'm running into the same problem in WV. Everyone says bobcats and foxes are harder to call in than coyotes, yet bobcats and foxes are all that I have called in. Not that I am complaining too much, I just never seem to call in the cats and foxes when they are in season. Only in the middle of summer.

Let me know when you figure it out! lol

[bgfireguy]

where abouts in Indiana you hunt at sir?

[bones44]

Like Brian said, we all know the Eastern yote's are waaaayyyy smarter than the Western ones. LOL Where I live the parcels are so broken up with thick nasty swamps to fully mature hardwoods. Every other property has a small farm full of ripe tasty little critters just waiting to be part of a coyotes buffet. Sometimes wonder if you'll ever see one and BAM they show up. Very hard to pattern and sometimes distress calls don't work at all. Just my .02 Good luck !!

[indianadog hunter]

to unplugged wish we had bobcats here to hunt we have em just cant hunt em as they are protected. I want a bobcat bad. To bigfireguy I hunt the west central part above Terre Haute, and dont call me sir I work for a living! I got some odd stuff for the western rivers so i will just have to try something new.

[On a call]

They are very difficult to figure out...and when you think you have them patterned they up and do somthing new.

Tom knows it.

[imnohero]

Great Reply Ebbs, thanks

[youngdon]

I couple bullet point ideas come to mind in regards to the difference of east and west:

• The wide open space is more like closed off sections. So get closer to where you think the dogs are.
• Because you have to get closer, you'll need to pay more attention to the wind, and how you move in. Stay low, push your truck door shut rather than swinging it shut. Basically pretend like you're black ops trying to go 100% undetected.
• Remember that eastern dogs have more to eat. They've got more terrain to sneak in and the small game is abundant. Western dogs are hungry. You may have to pique an eastern's curiosity with calls moreso than their stomach if the weather is cooperating and there's no snow on the ground. I saw yesterday one of our members mentioned he couldn't get them in with distress but one strolled in to a Ki-Yi.
• Mix it up. Use different calls. If cottontail distress isn't working or they're wise to it, try a pileated woodpecker, a mouse squeak, housecat distress, chicken distress anything to mix it up and not necessarily in that order.
• Because of the change in terrain, where dogs could be closer to start with, remember to start your calling quiet then work up with the volume. If you start off too loud you'll either tip them off, destroy any curiosity they may have, or be too loud to be believable.
• BE PERSISTENT. A lot of their response depends on their mood and the weather. What doesn't work one day could work immediately the next. So don't give up be patient AND creative.

Well said Sir !

[bgfireguy]

Its Ebbs. He's like the Tony Montoya of the predator world. lol

[wvcoyote]

well said ebbs, thats my philopsphy on on coyote hunting in east and it works.

[unplugged_55]

Indianadog, we have a pretty decent population of bobcats here in Boone County where I hunt a lot. If you'd ever be interested in an out of state hunt there are also a lot of bobcats in Pocahontas County which has next to unlimited public hunting areas in the Monongahela National Forest. Just something for you to look into sometime.